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good evening everyone. i am sara sidner, welcome to cnn tonight. former president donald trump predicted he was going to be at the criminal investigation into election interference. tonight he is waiting to see if he will be indicted, the criminal investigation into efforts to overturn joe biden's election victory has been going on for months, the deadline for former president donald trump to respond to the doj's target letter is less than an hour away. that is tomorrow's news, tonight. also coming up, we have a stunning new developments in a murder case that has gone unsolved for almost 30 years. who killed tupac shakur? the hip-hop star died in a drive-by shooting in 1996 after he was leaving a mike tyson fight in las vegas. ever since the ministry has grown. now the police have searched the home of the wife of a self proclaimed witness to that shooting. what do they find? it tonight i will talk

exclusively with a member of tupac shakur family. and, robert f. kennedy junior grilled by his democrats today on his past vaccine comments. he told them he's not anti-vaccine, despite his own words that say otherwise. >> i have never been anti vaccine, but everybody in this room probably believe that i have been because that is the prevailing narrative. antisemitism, racism, these are the most appalling, disgusting pejoratives and they are applied to me to silence me. >> all right, let's listen to what kennedy said in his own words just last week and comment exclusively reported by the new york post. >> covid-19, it is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. the people who -- are ashkenazi and chinese.

>> all right, let's begin there with democratic presidential candidate robert f. kennedy junior, he has a long history of spreading vaccine misinformation, yet, in a house hearing today he claimed that he never has been anti-vaccine, racist, or antisemitic and things got heated wooden congresswoman, debbie schultz, called him on his comments last year suggesting that anne frank was in a better situation hiding from the not seized during the holocaust them people in the u.s. during the covid-19 pandemic. >> in discussing covid health measures, he made light of the genocide against jewish people that even in germany, you could cross the swaths of switzerland, or hide an addict like anne frank did. mr. kennedy, did you think that it is easy for the jewish people to escape the slaughter of the naughty's? >> absolutely not.

>> do you think it is just as hard to wear a mask during covid as it was to hide under floorboards or false walls, so you are not murdered or dragged to a concentration camp? that is a comparison that you made. >> i did not make that comparison. >> the measures taken to contain the spread of fatalities related to covid were anyway at all comparable to the murder of 6 million, yes or? no >> absolutely not. >> joining me now, congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. thank you so much for coming on the program. i want to start with this, it is wonderful to see you. i want to start with this. rfk junior may deny that he made that comparison, but let's go to the tape. >> even in hitler germany you could cross the alps into switzerland, you could hide in an attic like anne frank did. today, the mechanisms are being put in place that will make it so that none of us can run and none of us can hide. >> why do you think that he is backtracking when he is clearly

on record with these dangerous conspiracies? >> well, it is worse than that, sarah. he's not backtracking, he lied under oath in front of congressional committee today. what do you have your statements on video, it is always bizarre to me when somebody denies that they said something that we can present them with the evidence that they said it. and i think that he is being called to account for the outrageousness of his holocaust comparisons when it comes to covid-19, and now he is engaged in horrific, repeated antisemitic tropes, and now chinese troops as well. just last week, it is just a constant barrage of antisemitism and holocaust references with rfk junior. you know, the republicans decided to have him as a witness, even though he has no expertise. and beyond that, his

disinformation and misinformation is dangerous to people. to give somebody like that a platform is dangerous. >> let me ask you this, because there are always people on the right and left that sometimes they we are being censored, and rfk junior claims he is being censored. let me let you listen to this. >> the first amendment was not meant for easy speech, it was written for the speech that nobody likes you for. >> all right, so he is raising the question, and it is thorny, but whether or not misinformation and disinformation is protected free speech. how do you see it? >> well, there is a difference. he has the right in america to say anything that he wants, but the first amendment does have restrictions, the supreme court has ruled that. not of shouting fire in a crowded theater was cited by my colleague today. but you don't have the right to

say what you want to say, and given a platform to amplify your misinformation and disinformation. congressional testimony, we are supposed to be hearing from people who actually have a direct knowledge about issues, you are going to bring about information to us and help us make decisions. what rfk junior is a conspiracy theorist who spews antisemitic and racist views that have no basis in evidence or fact, and the republicans only had him because they wanted to highlight him because he happens to be trying to run against president biden and they know that he is a conspiracy theorist and they wanted to use a so-called democrat to espouse, what they believe, is the conspiracy of covid. it is so dangerous, it is breathtaking. >> here is one of the arguments that he makes and others who support him make. it's not just republicans, but

also democrats to be quite interested in his message, the polling shows support in a run for the presidency. why do you think that is? >> because his last name is kennedy, and joe biden, i am confident, it is going to be the nominee of the democratic party once again. he has done a remarkable job as president of the united states, he had the most sweeping legislation, has passed into law and was proud to support the inflation reduction act. the infrastructure and legislation, the chips and science act, we have had more jobs created by this president than any in modern times in the first term. and joe biden will be rewarded for those accomplishments. >> congresswoman schultz, let me just ask you, a follow-up. you said it is his right name recognition that has people interested, but he's been talking like this for a really long time and there are people who are really concerned about

the vaccine and how quickly it came into use, and whether or not there isn't a sort of long term effect. i know scientists have looked at that and said this is safe and effective, but what do you say to those people who look at his record and they believe what he is saying and they support him? >> well, i mean, it's the united states of america and people can support who they want. but, if we are, if the republicans were really concerned about hearing from someone who actually knows something about the risks, the so-called risks, of the covid-19 vaccine than they should have epidemiologists and public health experts testifying in front of us, not someone who has this been used his information with no basis in fact. and, remember, what he has been saying, particularly the last week, was not about the vaccine. what he spewed last week was that of the covid 19 virus was

bioengineered to go after blocks and caucasians and to spare as could naji and chinese people. it wasn't about vaccines, it was about the virus. so this guy is a conspiracy theorist loon who just spews horrific, unproven, unscientific information as if it is fact and then denies when questioned under oath that he said it, even with the receipts on video and in audio recordings. because it is uncomfortable to be called on your conspiracy theories when they are outrageous and offensive and antisemitic and vile. >> congresswoman daddy oschmann schultz, thank you so much for having this conversation with me, i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> all right, now i want to bring in cnn senior political commentator scott jennings and jay michaelson, a columnist for rolling stone, and rabbi. all right, i do have to ask

this first, the very simple question. is what rfk is saying antisemitic? >> so, in his earlier statement that the virus was targeted in a certain way, of course, this is 1000-year-old antisemitic thing that simultaneously cause plagues, spread ply, expand our immune. as you said in the column that i wrote for cnn, when you play the conspiracy theory poker game, you are eventually going to draw a jewish card because this is a conspiracy that underlies all other conspiracies. qanon, the railing against soros, the elites in hollywood, these are all the same elites. for rfk junior, he knows this, he has to have known this. it's amazing, he completed in the testimony saying, well, this was based on the study by the cleveland clinic. the cleveland study had a scientific study, it didn't say it was targeted. it rains more in seattle than dozens of phoenix, but it doesn't mean there's a jewish

conspiracy. for him to get out there, i admire his nerve to just say these outrageous things and boldly contradict his own testimony, as the congresswoman just showed, but it is outrageous that there is, i think, a double standard that one somebody who spouts antisemitic is useful to a party in power they get a platform and when somebody says something that may or may not maybe be antisemitic thinking, of the congressman from last week, they get sent spirit. this is a shocking display. i cannot think of somebody who has espoused such antisemitic ideas, getting this kind of platform. but i do have some advice as a rabbi, if you are thinking about if it's a good idea to make a holocaust in-ology, here is the rubberneck advice. do not make that analogy. there are certain things that are beyond comparison and it is absolutely offensive weather, i've heard it about gun control,

covid, people on the right and left all the time, you hear it constantly and it is offensive every time it happens. >> scott, you made a face, don't like i didn't notice. well, i fully agree that antisemitism has no place in our politics i don't like it when it is platform. but did you also catch the news last week of the antisemitism going on in the fringe progressive caucus in the house democratic conference? this is a pervasive problem among conspiracy theorists but it does exist on the american left, and you do have and have had repeated episodes of antisemitism coming out of a handful of house democrats and they are repeatedly platform and exalted and -- >> scott there is no comparison between a statement that i think was out of line, saying that israel was racist state. that is a political statement, it's not one that i agree with. it is extreme, and i've said in -- >> let's just be clear, congresswoman jayapal said this. she then eventually apologized for it not long after. >> to be clear, rfk junior says

he has apologized and walked it back. but to declare an extreme political statement with 1000 year old claim that you somehow engineered plugs to kill non-, that is a crazy false the cleveland's, they are totally different. >> no, your statement was that you would never heard of antisemitism being platforms like this in the u.s. congress, its platforms every day. >> that is only if you agree that a statement about israel, which again i'm not agreeing with that statement or endorsing, it is antisemitic. it's political, and to say that that is equivalent of about guy saying that -- and the outrageous nerve, that there is an orthologs -- that was one of the early covid centers. i know people who died from that community, so for this guy to get on, and you get a platform after saying that the are immune and that this was targeted and it's some sort of a bio weapon. i'm sorry, but to compare that one statement saying that israel is -- >> its not one state, that corner of the party makes

repeated statements. >> let's not forget that china was also brought into this. many chinese people died in this and that can be seen as xenophobic, asian american hate, so that is also a part of this conversation. i do want to ask you using another jewish word, do you think the republicans are doing this to make joe biden fits? >> sure, they are doing it to troll joe biden. i don't like being affiliated with rfk junior, i'm glad that democrats have realized he is a crank and cracked pot and conspiracy theorist, but i'm old enough to remember when your employer platform his crazy ideas about the 2004 election being stolen. he has been a first conspiracy theorist and not for a long time and now democrats are upset about it today because it's running against joe biden. but this man was coddled in the fevers swamps of the left for years and now it is convenient to attack him. but republicans, and i want to be consistent, i was not for rfk early on, and i am not for rfk conspiracy today, i'm glad

democrats finally got their. >> i want to ask, you scott, because i'm going to give you trouble now for going long, but why do you think he's getting the numbers he's getting? a 70% right now in the polls and if you go down, all you have to go back to look at some of the things he said. you look at his social media and you know exactly what he stands for. >> a couple things, number one, i think there is actually a segment of the american left that is anti-vaccination. there's also a segment of the american right, but i think that population exists in both parties. but mostly i think it is dissatisfaction with biden. there are democrats who do not want him to seek reelection, you can see it in any poll. whether it is him or someone else, they are looking for an off ramp and he is going to get that votes. it won't be enough to topple biden, but those people exist. >> i think that's right, look, there is a lesson here for democrats who i don't think are paying attention to the president meant that exists in the center. i don't care about the hard core right in terms of electoral politics, but in the center around covid and covid policies. there are some misconceptions that are now floating around

that a lot of these policies did not do anything, whereas if you compare the actual death rates and lets a florida compared to new york to california, they did a lot. hundreds of thousands at least of lives were saved by some of the measures, which people did not like. but, democrats need to take this issue on squarely. shane should not sweep this under the rug and i think that rfk junior, for all of his deep flaws is speaking to a certain suspicion and discontent meant, with american history, and the democrats should own it and actually take it on because we saved lives. >> schools closed and businesses closed, that has been a big issue across the board for a lot of different people. thank you gentlemen for that very robust conversation. next, florida decides to change the way that black history is taught. we will tell you why critics say it is a huge step backwards. t we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back wiwith tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide.

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new tonight, florida state board of education improving

new rules for how to treat black history own public schools. the w andard say that students should learn that sled people develop the skills tt, quote, could be applied for the personal benefit. and, that duri lessons on acts of violence during slavery, teachers should include acts of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. let's bring in randall knedy, he's a professor at harvard law school and also the author of four discrimination, race, affirmative action, and the law. randall, i'm going to start here with the simplest question. can you make this make sense? >> well, it is a very bad situation. what is happening in florida is that political figures are trying to make a virtue of ignorance. they are removing from the classroom subjects that ought to be taught. there are educators in florida

who would like to educate students about subjects like reparations, subjects like black lives matter, subjects like feminism and black americans thought, and they are being told to be quiet. they are being told, these educators are being told that they cannot teach their students about these subjects and that should be concerning for everyone. >> i do want to ask you why you think this is happening now. we have seen what some people have described as a white lash out after the election of barack obama and then you have the black lives matter movement from 2014 until date, to 2022 when george floyd was murdered by a police officer. why do you think this is happening right now that some of these things are being either taken out or watered down, as to what happened to black americans in this country? >> well, there is an immediate

reason and a long term reason. the immediate reason is that there are political figures who think that doing things like this will help them. obviously the governor of florida is running for the presidency and he thinks that actions like this will rile up his base and so he is doing this to advance himself. there is a long term reason, the long term reason is that black history in particular has constantly been the subject of vilification, and black people in america have constantly had to wage a political struggle over their history. on the one hand the atrocities that have befallen them have been belittled, slavery,

frankly, until relatively recently, slavery was viewed in some curricula as a school for civilization. segregation was viewed as a good thing. reconstruction was viewed as a bad thing. i remember, in my lifetime, -- >> lat all changed. at some point there was a change that where people saw themselves as more enlightened and demanded that we tell the truth about our history. why are we back here again in 2023? >> well there was some change, but it was not complete. in fact, one of the things that is happening now is an effort to complete the efforts made in the second reconstruction. the effort to complete the task of making this a full, multi

racial society in which all communities are respected. that mission was never fulfilled and people are trying to fulfill it now and they are being met, as they have been met over the decades, with a desperate reaction against to trying it to make the society a better society. >> randall kennedy, thank you so much for coming on and spelling out for you is how you see this. i know you've been studying this for a very long time, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> anticipation is building for a potential third indictment of former president donald trump. but while everyone is waiting, special counsel jack smith is pushing on with this investigation. what smiths latest moves tell us about the timing for a potential indictment, that is ahead.

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the clock is ticking, donald trump has just minutes to go to respond to the special counsel. so, what happens next? when will the former president find out if prosecutors are going to try to hold him accountable for attempting to overturn the 2020 election? let's discuss tomorrow's news tonight with former deputy assistant attorney general larry -- harry lippman. harry, we've got minutes left here for donald trump to respond to the grand jury. no one is expecting that he is going to do that and the special counsel's scheduling more witness interviews, we have learned, over the coming weeks. what does that mean for the

timing of an indictment and is it certain that there will be, one in your estimation? >> yes. i can think of once or twice in my whole career that a target letter has not been followed by an indictment and here, this is not a kind of casual matter where doj would be considering it. it is a dundee,'ll it is already there is a model indictment drafted. it is already got up to garland and the whole brass, it is happening. now, the witness interviews are one thing, but you can do witness interviews after a grand jury has returned charges. so we do not know that, i think now he is ready to go. jack smith is all about speed right now and i think he's worried about the fulton county possible charges. i think the only thing left there is if trump wants to take an appeal, a final hearing and

i think garland would have to insist that he would go to jack smith, that's a courtesy would forward him otherwise he's going to talk to other witnesses, but that is fine, you can do that. i don't think the grand jury's work will put any kind of brakes on him at all. he wouldn't have done the target letter if he were not ready to go. >> okay. can you give us some sense of what is going to happen as all of these cases start to clash. you have the case in new york to do with the stormy daniels money exchange, if you will. and you have the potential of georgia coming forward, any of the documents case that's going on right now in florida, they can't be alt-right at the same time, certainly? >> it is really true. there are civil cases as well and you have one, the e. jean carroll case, the judge said two will be tried. i think these will naturally separate. if they are really scheduled for literally overlapping time, one of them will give. but one reason jack smith is coming out of the box now is in

order to be in the sort of position, it will be in a courtroom for this case where the judges are used to moving quickly and of the court of appeals also sort of fed up with trump and we'll move very quickly. so remember when the new york dea bragg brought charges, it was like totally consuming. but they have a way of separating out. now, i think for trump, they could be very close to one another, but i actually think that the charges we are about to see will be the first ones to go to trial and that will be before november 2024. >> okay, harry lippman, thank you very much. we will watch to see if your predictions come through, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> just ahead, it's a question that has been lingering for almost 30 years. who killed tupac shakur? well, we could possibly, maybe getting closer to an answer that is a decades old mystery.

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it is a question that has been asked and debated for nearly 30 years now. who killed world-renowned a pop artist and actor, tupac shakur? tupac shakur was gunned down in a drive-by shooting in 1996 and no one was ever charged or arrested in this case. but now there is new movement in the case. las vegas police has executed a search warrant in henderson nevada and investigators seized

computers, hard drives, and magazine articles about the rapper and his death. tupac was one of the biggest music stars in the world when he was killed, he's told more than 75 million records in just five years. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> he was one of the most prolific voices of the hip-hop generation. tupac shakur, a young man with big bright eyes and poetic sensibility who spit out lyrics that detailed life as he knew it, unvarnished. ♪ ♪ ♪ he revealed the beauty and pain of his life and those around him. that seems stretched from violence in the streets to block liberation to the love between a mother and son. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tupac lived a version of the american dream, as well as an

american nightmare. he was a young black man who unchained himself from the extreme poverty he grew up in in baltimore and california. his school friends say his nose was always in a book, always learning, but it was his music and acting that set of the world alight. >> tupac was extremely passionate, very honest, and raw in his approach to communicating. >> he became a world famous icon of an emerging genre of music, hip-hop. only to be gunned down at just 25 years old near a las vegas street corner. retired las vegas police lieutenant carroll was first on the scene on that september day in 1996. >> i ended up pulling tupac out of the car. i spoke to him, he was still alive, he was still breathing. i was asking him who did it, who shot him, what happened, and that is even responded to me with the now infamous words,

have you. >> to put it mildly, tupac was not a fan of the police for a myriad of reasons. for one, his mother said, is experienced police violence while still in a room. she recounted the fbi charging into her house, guns out, and carting are off to jail for being a member of the black panthers. she defended herself in court and won her case against the state. >> he was born one month three days after we were -- >> tupac also had his own run in with violence and the law. >> we are going to make this court proud if they give me their chance to do so. i'm sure that you don't need to see in the blackface behind. bars >> he was a natural born fighter for black causes, borne of two members of the black panther party. >> i'm his mother, and to a large extent, i feel as though tupac came into this world carrying my black panther body pass with his baggage. >> he was shot during a robbery

in times square and lived to tell the tale. he always thought east coast rappers set him up. he was arrested multiple times, accused of violence, but tupac went to prison after being convicted of sexual abuse in 1995. that happened about a month before the release of his album, me against the world. he was bonded out after eight months by shrug night, ceo of death row records. ♪ ♪ ♪ the raw words of his songs served as a form of empowerment of people feeling the weight of oppression. 27 years after his death, his music is as relevant as ever. then, this week, a stunning announcement. las vegas police suddenly revealing they served a search warrant on this anderson, if our home. in the warrant, there is mention of the south side compton crips gang and they seized items belonging to a man named dwayne keith davis, nicknamed --

in 1996, los angeles police did pick up and question this man, they said belong to that same gang. orlando anderson was named a suspect in the case, but he was never charged. >> were you involved in any way in the death of tupac shakur? >> no, i was not involved. i am like a victim, i feel sorry for him. >> the night of tupac's murder, surveillance shows anderson being beaten by tupac and his entourage in las vegas. hours later, tupac shakur is shot and killed while in the car with sugar night. no one knows what will come with a new police activity, but after 27 years of waiting, is fans and family hope not just that the murder assault, but that justice is served. >> joining me now, exclusively, is tupac's brother and collaborator. first, thank you so much for taking the time to be here

tonight i know that you have relived this nightmare for the family for over 27 years and never gets easier. can i ask you, what did you think when you learned that police suddenly, 27 years later, are doing a search warrant on someone's home in nevada, in connection with your brother's murder? >> first off, good evening. . i am hopeful, but, honestly, coming from my point of view, the way the system has treated my father, the late great doctor shakur, who left us to go with the ancestors july 7th. for the way it might is the system has treated my brother, tupac shakur. from the way the system has treated my step mother shakur,

who passed away with a hole in her heart. you know, i am not impressed. i am not moved. everybody get your popcorn, we'll see what happens. but on top of the fact it has been 27 years, so it doesn't seem that there has been a lot of zeal or robust investigation of this case. you know, think oh into this home and they pull out all manner of, things hard, drives computers, phones, but they also pull out a vibe magazine with to pop on the front, and a book. what do you make of wh ty have taken out?

the book was called compton street legends, does that ring a bell to you? >> no, ma'am. i mean, compton, we, my brother and i, you, know our music, our movement. it felt like the whole thing was connected to all of these communities, all of these communities from the east coast and west coast. so the fact that there is a book about compton, there that does not mean much. >> does not surprise you. >> can i ask you if the name -- means anything to you? >> this individual -- this theory about his connection to the case has been floating around for years. >> he even said he was a witness, right, but never said anything about who was the actual killer.

>> yes, that is my point, where have law enforcement been. you know what i mean. there has been no mystery. it is been almost 30 years, multiple decades. >> when you say, sir, that it has been no mystery, do you know who killed tupac? or who you think might have killed tupac, your brother? >> no i don't. unfortunately i don't know for sure. but, these, this theory hasn't been looked into for 27 years, why? my family has been traumatized, my sister, my daughter, my nieces, we have all been traumatized waiting on -- waiting for something to happen, for somebody to be proactive enough to take action. for example, i hardly ever see

any footage from outside the casino. we have all seen the footage of the, fight but never seen footage outside where the actual murder happened. i don't, know i'm not a cop, i do not investigate. >> you find it strange? can i ask you about tupac himself that night? you went to the hospital, didn't you, after tupac had been shot. did he try to communicate with you? what happens when you walk in that door? >> i got there, i got to the hospital a day later, my daughter and ex-wife, he was trying to communicate. he was still alive, he was trying to communicate. >> how so? what was he doing? >> he was intubated, he could not speak. >> what gave you the thought that he was trying to communicate with you since he was intubated and had troops

down his throat? >> because everyone knows his eyes. you know, all of the ones that love, him and care for him, we all know, i know his eyes. and, on top of the fact that his shot up as he was, he was still shaking the bed trying to communicate. >> what do you think he was trying to tell you? >> well, that is 1 million dollar question. >> can you give me one word why you think tupac is still a voice of a generation, people are still talking about, him still wearing, short still listening to the, music still quoting him and his poetry. >> because tupac was the king of rap. and, though he was a fierce warrior, he represents love. he loved his community, he loved his people, he loved

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